SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:22 Wed Nov 23
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Using your logic, West Ham is a 'toff's' club. It was formed by filthy rich Arnold Hills to keep the rabble happy at his Thames Ironworks.
Cricket, like football, was a working man's game, banned in many areas for breaching the Sabbath. It just happened to become the favoured betting vehicle of the landed gentry whilst football was the favoured betting vehicle of the filthy-rich industrialist. All those working-class professionals in cricket didn't spring from nowhere. They, like professional footballers, had learned their craft, not on the playing fields of Eton and Oxbridge, but in village and factory teams. They were recruited by rich men to, in the most part, help them win bets.
Incidentally, you'd have a very long afternoon indeed trying to persuade an Aussie that cricket is a 'toff's game'.
You're on slightly surer ground with your questions about India. The local peasants (Dalit caste?) couldn't really give a fuck about the colour or nationality of who was oppressing them. It was the Indian 'toff's' who wanted to be 'British' who were keen on cricket. I think there have only ever been about four 'untouchables' in the India test team.
However, if it was supposed to be a way of giving the finger to their colonists, it was a very poor way of doing it. India never won a game against the hated English whilst it was a colony.
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zebthecat
10:43 Wed Nov 23
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Side of Ham 11:22 Tue Nov 22
Cricket does have an unfortunate history with the Gentlemen and Players thing reinforcing class boundaries. Thankfully those days are gone but the attitude remains in some places especially the MCC.
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mashed in maryland
10:38 Wed Nov 23
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Tbf its likely the migrant workers in Qatar are more into cricket than football.
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Side of Ham
8:56 Wed Nov 23
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Football is the sport that was created for the rabble it set up clubs around work places etc….now it sets up so it can lose lives building W/C and washes their hands of it….
….cricket and any other sports of this popularity are not comparable….
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only1billybonds
11:39 Tue Nov 22
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Not sure what the origins of both sports have to do with the issue in question which is far less fuss will be made of the cricketers tour of Pakistan the the footballers involvement in Qatar.
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Side of Ham
11:22 Tue Nov 22
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Lords/MCC sums up what professional cricket is and it needed the rabble to play it to keep it going....football was for the workers....cricket has always been one of the best ways for our ex-colonial friends to exact some sort of 'friendly' revenge on their English 'oppressors'.....
What football was created for has been lost to be a money machine, you can hardly say that about cricket, their clubs were never mean't for the rabble in the first place.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:38 Tue Nov 22
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Cricket didn't start as a toffs game and in much of this country, anywhere north of St John's Wood, really, never has been.
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Side of Ham
9:50 Tue Nov 22
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rios, I'm asking because you may know....but in Pakistan & India is there a high percentage of their players coming from the poorer ends of their society...ie: are there many 'untouchables' in the hindu cast system playing cricket for their national team etc.....
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riosleftsock
9:22 Tue Nov 22
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Throughout history, most countries formed armies which initially caused a problem for their enemies. Whenever they tried to create and keep an army it caused a problem for themselves, hence the need to keep them busy. That's why the Romans were so successful, because their soldiers were trained builders, navvies, farmers etc, always kept busy.
Other countries tried to keep their armies busy by constant war, Britain kept ours occupied through sport.
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Side of Ham
9:03 Tue Nov 22
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What the best way to build links and keep the rabble happy, the same as it did with football.
Games/Sports were a great pacifier, and you probably find at times there has been a need to 'level' things.....they ain't silly these toffs....still playing us off against each other even now it seems......
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Mike Oxsaw
8:54 Tue Nov 22
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Side of Ham 8:44 Tue Nov 22
So why did the oppressed take on the hobbies & habits of the elite of the oppressor?
I suspect that the rank & file in oppressed/conquered nations outnumbered the officer ranks by several orders of magnitude, and their natural game far more likely to be football.
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Side of Ham
8:50 Tue Nov 22
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You could rio's, the worst thing is giving them the game of cricket was probably one of our worst legacy's the poor sods....they don't even realise this either.....
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riosleftsock
8:46 Tue Nov 22
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Side of Ham 8:44 Tue Nov 22
You could also say we carried out more of an aggressive takeover and liberated the locals from evil dictators.
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riosleftsock
8:45 Tue Nov 22
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Its weird when you think that football was banned in some parts of England because it was basically war between villages with a vague relationship with kicking an animal bladder from one village to another.
But when the sport was codified (Association Football, where soccer comes from) it became gentrified - players and amateurs (which all sports adopted), where players (paid) were looked down on by amateurs.
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Side of Ham
8:44 Tue Nov 22
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Oh and cricket was started in these poorer countries because of our toff's cunt ways ....like invading other poorer continents.....
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Side of Ham
8:42 Tue Nov 22
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Was it like that at the start of cricket then Mike? Most popular sports have evolved into money comes first cunt sports......
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Mike Oxsaw
8:39 Tue Nov 22
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If cricket is a "Toff's" game, how come it's biggest & most fervent following is in some of the world's poorest regions by some of the world's poorest people?
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WHU(Exeter)
8:38 Tue Nov 22
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O1BB, yep, or F1 held in Gulf States, or the ownership of English clubs.
Apparently it's totally wrong that they should be hosting the World Cup, but it's all ok for them to own top tier English clubs.
It's mad.
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Leonard Hatred
8:32 Tue Nov 22
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O1BB
Yeah, that is a good point actually.
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Side of Ham
8:32 Tue Nov 22
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Football was created for the type of worker that died building for this competition.
Cricket was a game for the toffs......don't see why football keeps getting compared to other sports.
It's quite likely... in fact very likely...many of our great grand parents would have been treated this way by FIFA as that is what it seems the working conditions were like over in 'modern day' Qatar......
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only1billybonds
8:22 Tue Nov 22
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Interesting point made earler.
When the England cricket team travel to Pakistan, will there be a similar reaction to the the tour that the world cup has recieved?
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